>> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? we talked about this about 8 years ago on this newsgroup . Every woman Bill meets in the film wants him, wants to be with him; Alice Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. Now that's out of the way, a brief introduction. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? > The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy > all along, If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? It seems evident that Kubrick carefully selected the Rothschild-owned location and hand-picked the masks worn by participants of the ritual, echoing real-life families and events. But he can't know for sure (because she was> masked at Somerton).>, >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy >> all along,>>, > If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? >Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays >her voice in his head while looking over the body. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" In contrast to the Ziegler-Bill poolroom scene clearing up allambiguities (Ziegler's seeming 'commonsensical' and desublimating'explanation' of the Somerton ritual), as many have complained in thepast, this scene instead multiplies and amplifies the uncertainties.Ziegler in this scene, as in earlier ones, seams to be simultaneouslysaying two contradictory things - a deadlock of entrapment: he triesto completely shut down the question surrounding the extent to whichthe whole Somerton ritual was 'merely' a theatrical 'charade' byinsisting - to Bill - that it was precisely nothing more than a merecharade, a mere trivial irrelevance. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? Barcaluv. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it? He wasn't positive. >, but, besides that you're> not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", Ditto. 2. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. He has written words for Den of Geek, Collider, The Irish Times and Screen Rant over the years, and can discuss anything from the MCU - where Hawkeye is clearly the best character - to the most obscure cult b-movie gem, and his hot takes often require heat resistant gloves to handle. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. He is not exactly voicing his thoughts. In Dr. Bill's "dream," the masked woman he meets (played by Abigail Good) and who he later sees dead in the morgue, is a distortion of the woman he met at the party when he was still "awake" partying with his wife. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? He wasn't positive. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. ), Stalepie writes:"the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. >>What else could he call it? In the bathroom scene, there is no way to tell if Mandy has that freckle, because of her slouched position, which also makes it hard to tell her height in relation to Bill. But which'party' is Bill referring to? Statanic mass? The masked woman was played by a different actor but is the samecharacter. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. >What else could he call it? <<<<<<<<<<<>. > >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. ". If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, hasit confirmed by someone else (Ziegler). As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. 2. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? OT. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the Web .
1925 . <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? Put on some headphones and listen. WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is still a mystery. How? Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. I think the voice would have rung a bell and > the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course > seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so > he was in shock. She helps Bill at the Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. <<<<<<<<< is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. Please either stop or> shape up. 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