The muzzle velocity was . However, the biggest shortcoming in the cartridge is limited effective range. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles. remember seeing it on Winchester's loading list when I was a teenager. Copyright 2023 Big Game Hunting Adventures LLC | All Rights Reserved. The .223 Rem. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. Instead, it was first chambered in Remingtons Model 8 auto-loading rifle. Winchester introduced the .351 WSL in 1907 for their Model Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. Copyright 2009, 2013 by Chuck Hawks. Ballistics vs. .35 Rem. was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s. Its even more effective when using some of the hotter loads (like those from Buffalo Bore) available on the market. At ranges less than 100 yards, likewhen hunting whitetail deeror black bear in thick cover,the cartridge excels and is absolutely deadly on big game. That list, by the way, is in ascending order of power. As of 2017, Hawk bullets still makes .351 jacketed expanding bullets with jackets of appropriate thickness.[7]. 35 Remington vs 30-30 A typical 35 Remington factory load (200gr bullet at 2,080fps) has about 5% more energy than a normal 30-30 factory load (170gr bullet at 2,200fps). Something to think about if you really want a .348 Winchester based cartridge. Remington, Winchester, Federal, Hornady, and Buffalo Bore, among others, currently offer a handful of different .35 Remington ammo options. So, in recognition of both the strengths and weaknesses of the cartridge, the .35 Remington gained a good reputation among American huntersseeking an effective woods cartridge for pursuing game in areas where shots inside 100 yards were the norm. Both of these .35 Remington ammo choices offer slight improvements over typical factory loads. Curious how the new .360 Buckhammer will be received by the market. Posts: 16,091. Marlin offers the Model 336 in both .30-30 and .35 Rem., but its unclear whether Ruger (which recently purchased Marlin) will continue the line. It has accounted for almost all, if not all, North American game species, and the famous African PH Wally Johnson used one to kill lions in his early years in Mozambique. A box of hunting ammunition will sell for $19 to $22. can only be had in Federals traditional, lead-core Power-Shok line. The .35 Remingtons heavier and larger diameter bullets just seem to make critters fall down faster. Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in close timber."[3]. Semi-automatic and striker-fired, the P320-XTEN is extremely accurate, easy to shoot even with powerful 10mm loads and holds 15-plus-one rounds. The range of bullet weights available (not to mention the diameter of each cartridge) put the .30-30 and .35 Rem. Today, thats not so much the case; the .30/30 is pushing the .35 out the door and its popularity or whats left of it will probably die with Generation X. is still not burning up the sales records, so maybe ahead of its time is the wrong description. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. Winchester sold both soft point and FMJ ammunition for the .351 SL cartridge over the years. It was noticeably better than its pappy, and although many gave it a. The .351 Winchester Self-Loading (.351 WSL, .351 SL). All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. The 35 Remington also uses a bullet about 18% heavier and with over 35% more frontal surface area (.1007 vs .0745 square inches). If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. The .30/30s dominance as the king of lever-cartridges is also clear when you look at available ammunition. Mag. Introduced in 1906, it was originally chambered for the Remington Model 8 semi-automatic rifle in 1908. The original .30-30 load used a 160-grain bullet and topped out at 1,970 feet per second (fps) at the muzzle, according to Frank C. Barnes Cartridges of the World. Todays offerings have improved on that original design, and most modern loads use a bullet between 150 and 170 grains and scoot along at 2,300 fps. necked up to .35 caliber. Keep in mind that most hunting ammunition currently sells for an average of $28 to $32 per box. in the Big Bore Model 94. The .358 has 24 percent more energy at the muzzle than the .300 Win. The .356 Win. The .35 Remington load using the 150-grain Core-Lokt obtains just about the same muzzle velocity, with a bullet having a lower B.C. The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. Lyman mold #350319. The ability to smack the snot out of big game animals like black bear and wily old whitetail bucks is what really matters. gunswizard. It is probably best restricted to use on animals of not more than about 50 pounds live weight, such as small predators. In a modern bolt-action rifle, hand loaders can achieve velocities of 2,400 fps with a 200-grain bullet, making the .35 Rem. The .351 Winchester SL cartridge had but one loading, a 180-gr. grain jacketed soft point (JSP), round nose bullets. Mag. Both come in light, handy rifles that are a pleasure to carry in the forested mountains and wooded areas where these guns shine. So, which one comes out on top in a head-to-head matchup? At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. Dubbed by Winchester as the fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge in the world, the 350 Legend certainly seems to be designed to fill a particular role in those states which limit big-game hunters to straight-walled rifle cartridges. Which is the more useful cartridge? Make sure you follow The Big Game Hunting Blog onFacebook,Instagram,Twitter, andYouTube. Other Remington posters publicized the ability of the cartridgeto penetrate a 5/16 of steel plate, a feat the .30-30 Winchester could not match. For those interested in wringing out all of the power available in the .35 Remington, there are a couple of other .35 Remington ammunition options besides the standard 200gr soft point loads listed above. It may not be high speed or low drag, but its got more than enough juice to get the job done. Instead, it was first chambered in Remington's Model 8 auto-loading rifle. The .30/30 Win. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. The maximum average pressure should not exceed 39,000 psi. and a .30-06 produces about 20 ft.-lbs. These bullets weigh 171 grains with a .348 caliber gas stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. In most factory loads, the .30-30 flies faster and employs more devastating bullets. Not unlike the real estate market, the answer lies in location, location, location. Few hunters these days really understand the capabilities of the . Introduced only two years apart, the .223 Remington and the .243 Winchester couldnt have come from more different neighborhoods of the firearms world. Of the four rifle cartridges introduced with the Remington Model 8, the .35 Remington was by far the most popular and is the only one still in production. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. or the .35 Remington Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. It has never failed me. The trouble is, they didnt sell. and the .32 Win. Using the lighter .358-inch diameter bullets weighing 150 to 200 grains, the .35 Remington gave enough power to cleanly take a deer, bear or similar sized animals, without pounding the shooters shoulder to jelly. Both generate between 1,800 and 1,900 ft.-lbs. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. clearly more powerful than the .30-30. The new 350 Legend has the benefit of modern engineering, and the fact that it wasnt designed specifically for a tubular magazine. Yes, there was a .35 Win., introduced in 1903, although it's commonly thought that the .35 Rem. Ruger made a few bolt-actions some years back, and Remington made rifles in the 700 Classic line, but they are long gone. It is believed that Frank Hammer fired the opening burst into Bonnie & Clydes 1934 Ford with a Model 8 in .35. The longevity of both cartridges speaks to their efficacy on game, and their compatibility with short, light carbines makes them popular among hunters in thick brush. Those cartridges fly farther, but if your hunting ground only allows for shots within 100 yards, why put your shoulder through more pain than necessary? Here, he explains their advantages and disadvantagesand how to use them safely. I live in the Wind River valley of Wyoming in grizzly country. Since it had no competitor at the time, and since it filled an important medium bore niche, the .35 Remington quickly caught on with hunters in the United States. [1] .35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge diagram. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. .30-30 Win. Re: 35 Remington vs. 358 Winchester. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Remington Model 700 American Hunter Rifle Project, .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum, .25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum, Head to Head: .30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington, Head to Head: .338-06 A-Square vs. .35 Whelen, Head to Head: .458 Win. While the .35 Remington was extremely popular when first introduced in the early 1900s, the cartridge has fallen out of mainstream use in recent years. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. Mag. We sell ammunition by the box and bulk ammo in case quantities. As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. Every time I use it I ask myself, Whats not to like? Beats me, but nobody liked it enough to keep it in production. would follow that tradition. Both cartridges are eminently shootable. If he doesnt, his old man did, and he still has strong opinions about which cartridge performs better in the field. Jacketed bullet diameter is .351", not Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. For instance, Remington also sells 150gr load that produces velocities around 2,300 feet per second. Released in 2019, the Legend was designed for use in states that restrict deer hunters to straight-wall cartridges and was billed as the fastest such cartridge currently in production. The .35 Remington was extremely effective in that role. If youd like to read a more detailed discussion on a couple of other .35 caliber cartridges, read the articles below: 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know. You can trade in your 35 rem barrel on edstc.com for a 358 barrel. In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. I have a .356 Win. produced 109 results. Bottles & 12-oz. Like most of our Caliber Battles, the choice here is between a lighter bullet going faster (the .30-30) and a heavier bullet going slower (the .35 Rem.). During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. Comparing the two in spite of the weight difference, youll see the 350 obtaining 2100 fps at the muzzle, and the .35 Remington cruising along at 2080 fps; not a whole lot of difference, though Id have to give the edge to the .35 Remington for a bit more sectional density with the slightly heavier bullet. Heres what you need to know about hunting with the 35 Rem today. The .35 Rem. Henry Repeating Arms currently manufactures a model in .35 Remington as well. .351 WSL is not nearly as powerful as the .35 Remington cartridge offered in the Which cartridge wins? For me, that puts it over the top. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. But is it the best? The 200 grain bullet has an advertised muzzle velocity of 2,225 feet per second and a muzzle energy of 2,198 foot pounds. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchesters now-legendary 1894 lever-action. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the .351 WSL is not nearly as powerful as the .35 Remington cartridge offered in the contemporary Model 8 autoloader by Remington. contemporary Model 8 autoloader by Remington. However, the most popular rifle chambered in .35 Remington is the Marlin Model 336 lever-action rifle. Because of its power and versatility, many generations of hunters from states as varied as Maine, North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia have successfully hunted deer, moose, bear, and hogs (like the one in the photo below) with the .35 Remington. A very small number of Winchesters legendary bolt-action pre-64 Model 70 rifles were manufactured in .35 Remington as well. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. At this time, Henry and Marlin are the only two companies Im aware of that produce new rifles in the cartridge. 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